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		<title>By: In Anchor &#187; PR &#38; Social Media Still Oil &#38; Water</title>
		<link>http://www.newinfluencer.com/market-wires-prnn-purchase-the-sm-community-response-and-other-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-5280</link>
		<dc:creator>In Anchor &#187; PR &#38; Social Media Still Oil &#38; Water</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been several great posts out there discussing the MarketWire/PRNN deal, and not only what it means to Social Media and PR, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ether Breather</title>
		<link>http://www.newinfluencer.com/market-wires-prnn-purchase-the-sm-community-response-and-other-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-5276</link>
		<dc:creator>Ether Breather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

First off, great to hear from you.  I can appreciate your extensions to the analogies I put out there - I think they are absolutely appropriate.

I also agree with the general message of your response and am continuing to be amazed by the way that communications can unfold through the Web in such an acute, unpredictable fashion.

Lets say your original post is indicative of the kind of SMR you are talking about, then the impact of all these interested entities (Todd, Shannon, Thom, myself etc.) communicating in various spaces is certainly notice of the kind of potential that social media has.

I would simply add a couple of points:

1. There are probably millions of people out there who would be engaged by this cross-domain thread who will never see anything.  I&#039;m not saying that the wires hit all these people but they help cut into a chunk of them.

2. We are really the early adopters (innovators maybe?) for these new forms of communication.  The traditional wires can serve an important role helping to usher the mainstream audiences, journalists, PR folks into these new forms of communication.

At any rate, I think the bottom line is that the engagement that is happening now is moving things in the right direction.

Jiyan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>First off, great to hear from you.  I can appreciate your extensions to the analogies I put out there &#8211; I think they are absolutely appropriate.</p>
<p>I also agree with the general message of your response and am continuing to be amazed by the way that communications can unfold through the Web in such an acute, unpredictable fashion.</p>
<p>Lets say your original post is indicative of the kind of SMR you are talking about, then the impact of all these interested entities (Todd, Shannon, Thom, myself etc.) communicating in various spaces is certainly notice of the kind of potential that social media has.</p>
<p>I would simply add a couple of points:</p>
<p>1. There are probably millions of people out there who would be engaged by this cross-domain thread who will never see anything.  I&#8217;m not saying that the wires hit all these people but they help cut into a chunk of them.</p>
<p>2. We are really the early adopters (innovators maybe?) for these new forms of communication.  The traditional wires can serve an important role helping to usher the mainstream audiences, journalists, PR folks into these new forms of communication.</p>
<p>At any rate, I think the bottom line is that the engagement that is happening now is moving things in the right direction.</p>
<p>Jiyan</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Solis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Solis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jiyan, incredible post and kudos to Thom for getting out there and participating in the conversation.

Apologize for not commenting sooner, I actually have been trying to get over here since the day you posted.

Let me start with Thom&#039;s point...no one is calling for the death of the press release per se, we are calling for the end to the bull shit - honestly.  Wire services aside, it&#039;s the PR people that are pumping this stuff like toxic waste hoping to get out there over the wire and end up miraculously on the desk of the lead WSJ reporter.  We all know things don&#039;t work that way.

So Social Media aside, let&#039;s fix traditional media before we start advertising new ways for PR people to package the same old crap in a new way.

Jiyan, I love your analogies. What if we added to your idea of scarcity, visiualizing that it&#039;s not just the eyeballs representing scarcity, it&#039;s the attention crash, and it&#039;s the inability to realize that something is compelling unless they directly relate to the news passing by them in order to even evaluate it.

And in the town square example, no wire service ensures that messages can be widely heard. They do, however, provide a channel for the news to stand among them, but there is a proactive part required of the townesmen to look for the information.  How?  They have to be looking for something that matters to them. Key words. Tags. Referrals.

Don&#039;t get me wrong.

Wire services do work in different, yet still valuable ways. But let&#039;s be clear, it&#039;s up to PR to be intelligent about how to make them most effective.

My only thing here is to ensure that Social Media doesn&#039;t end up as polluted as the majority of the traditonal media infrastructure.  Remember, this entire &quot;Social Media meets PR&quot; revolution was sparked by journalists demanding a change, demanding improvement...not PR people or wire services.

See, I&#039;m of the full belief that traditional media can complement social media. But they require a completely different approach and mindset. Think about it. This conversation is taking place across the web and evolving through the comment sections of every post.  That&#039;s why the Social Media Release should be based on a social platform in order to complement its traditional counterpart. The traditional release about the PRNN acquisition could be covered by PRWeek and Bulldog and the SMR can be picked up in the blogosphere and in social networks, thus continuing the conversation.

What if we viewed my original post on the deal as a representation of the kind of SMR I&#039;m talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jiyan, incredible post and kudos to Thom for getting out there and participating in the conversation.</p>
<p>Apologize for not commenting sooner, I actually have been trying to get over here since the day you posted.</p>
<p>Let me start with Thom&#8217;s point&#8230;no one is calling for the death of the press release per se, we are calling for the end to the bull shit &#8211; honestly.  Wire services aside, it&#8217;s the PR people that are pumping this stuff like toxic waste hoping to get out there over the wire and end up miraculously on the desk of the lead WSJ reporter.  We all know things don&#8217;t work that way.</p>
<p>So Social Media aside, let&#8217;s fix traditional media before we start advertising new ways for PR people to package the same old crap in a new way.</p>
<p>Jiyan, I love your analogies. What if we added to your idea of scarcity, visiualizing that it&#8217;s not just the eyeballs representing scarcity, it&#8217;s the attention crash, and it&#8217;s the inability to realize that something is compelling unless they directly relate to the news passing by them in order to even evaluate it.</p>
<p>And in the town square example, no wire service ensures that messages can be widely heard. They do, however, provide a channel for the news to stand among them, but there is a proactive part required of the townesmen to look for the information.  How?  They have to be looking for something that matters to them. Key words. Tags. Referrals.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong.</p>
<p>Wire services do work in different, yet still valuable ways. But let&#8217;s be clear, it&#8217;s up to PR to be intelligent about how to make them most effective.</p>
<p>My only thing here is to ensure that Social Media doesn&#8217;t end up as polluted as the majority of the traditonal media infrastructure.  Remember, this entire &#8220;Social Media meets PR&#8221; revolution was sparked by journalists demanding a change, demanding improvement&#8230;not PR people or wire services.</p>
<p>See, I&#8217;m of the full belief that traditional media can complement social media. But they require a completely different approach and mindset. Think about it. This conversation is taking place across the web and evolving through the comment sections of every post.  That&#8217;s why the Social Media Release should be based on a social platform in order to complement its traditional counterpart. The traditional release about the PRNN acquisition could be covered by PRWeek and Bulldog and the SMR can be picked up in the blogosphere and in social networks, thus continuing the conversation.</p>
<p>What if we viewed my original post on the deal as a representation of the kind of SMR I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ether Breather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ether Breather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I have to admit this social media thing is pretty incredible.

I mean, when else in history could you have someone write something about somebody and have that somebody find out and write back without any direct relationship????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I have to admit this social media thing is pretty incredible.</p>
<p>I mean, when else in history could you have someone write something about somebody and have that somebody find out and write back without any direct relationship????</p>
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		<title>By: Ether Breather</title>
		<link>http://www.newinfluencer.com/market-wires-prnn-purchase-the-sm-community-response-and-other-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-5273</link>
		<dc:creator>Ether Breather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thom,

Great to hear from you, and it is a pleasure to make your acquaintance.

I am always wary of extremist views, particularly in politics and technology ;)

As the late Roger Silverstone once said in a lecture, the truth is that new technologies don&#039;t really replace old technologies - instead, they converge to create a layered experience.

Or something like that

Jiyan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom,</p>
<p>Great to hear from you, and it is a pleasure to make your acquaintance.</p>
<p>I am always wary of extremist views, particularly in politics and technology <img src='http://www.newinfluencer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As the late Roger Silverstone once said in a lecture, the truth is that new technologies don&#8217;t really replace old technologies &#8211; instead, they converge to create a layered experience.</p>
<p>Or something like that</p>
<p>Jiyan</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Brodeur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Brodeur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jiyan:

The story of social media is one that is being written on a near daily basis, indeed. More twists, turns and plot changes are sure to come as this story unfolds.

Thank you for so keenly understanding, and articulating the key point we were trying to make in our announcement about PRNN - that there is indeed, or at least, can be, a symbiotic relationship between distribution of news and the conversations, discussions and dialogue that social media has been designed to create. Truth is, a nugget of content must exist in order for a conversation or discourse to begin. If a news distribution service, whether its Marketwire or even your company&#039;s web-distribution product, PRWeb, pushes the content into the ethos, and does so with an eye for and responsibility to the nuances (however subtle or pronounced) that social networks, communities, etc. require in order to begin their conversations -- then, in my mind, we&#039;ve leveraged our skillset to continue to fan the flame.

Hopefully over time, we&#039;ll hear less about &quot;death to the press release&quot; or &quot;death to the newswire&quot; and more of &quot;hey, perhaps there&#039;s a bit we can leverage here off these folks given they&#039;ve been in the business of creating &#039;communication connections&#039; for half a century plus.

There&#039;s gotta be some value to that. At least I&#039;d like to think so.

Thank you for your comments. Timely. And, appropriate.

Thom Brodeur
Senior Vice President, Global Strategy &amp; Development, Marketwire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jiyan:</p>
<p>The story of social media is one that is being written on a near daily basis, indeed. More twists, turns and plot changes are sure to come as this story unfolds.</p>
<p>Thank you for so keenly understanding, and articulating the key point we were trying to make in our announcement about PRNN &#8211; that there is indeed, or at least, can be, a symbiotic relationship between distribution of news and the conversations, discussions and dialogue that social media has been designed to create. Truth is, a nugget of content must exist in order for a conversation or discourse to begin. If a news distribution service, whether its Marketwire or even your company&#8217;s web-distribution product, PRWeb, pushes the content into the ethos, and does so with an eye for and responsibility to the nuances (however subtle or pronounced) that social networks, communities, etc. require in order to begin their conversations &#8212; then, in my mind, we&#8217;ve leveraged our skillset to continue to fan the flame.</p>
<p>Hopefully over time, we&#8217;ll hear less about &#8220;death to the press release&#8221; or &#8220;death to the newswire&#8221; and more of &#8220;hey, perhaps there&#8217;s a bit we can leverage here off these folks given they&#8217;ve been in the business of creating &#8216;communication connections&#8217; for half a century plus.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s gotta be some value to that. At least I&#8217;d like to think so.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments. Timely. And, appropriate.</p>
<p>Thom Brodeur<br />
Senior Vice President, Global Strategy &amp; Development, Marketwire</p>
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